Wednesday, August 16, 2006

Ceasefire Getting Shakier By the Minute

Some of the reserve IDF soldiers are being sent out of Lebanon, the residents of the north are starting to go back home, and there are those in the government who are taking out the knives and starting to attack each other for the failures of the war - all signs that Israel is going back to its usual routine.

On the other hand there are worrying signs that this period of time is just a short break from the fighting, and that it will start up again soon. has their report here that Hizballah is announcing publicly that they will not disarm, and the IDF Chief of Staff said today that we may have to stop pulling our troops out of Lebanon.

I just listened to an interview with Member of Knesset Effie Eitam, one of the current Knesset members with relatively recent IDF experience. He is urging those in charge to make their criticism of the IDF both professional and constructive, in order to learn and plan for the next stage of fighting - which he predicts will start in just a few days.

I hope that Effie Eitam is wrong, but I feel that he is right. My fear is that the nutcase in Iran wants to celebrate August 22nd by bashing Israel - and is urging Nasrallah to give it another go. Waiting a little bit until there are more civilians in the way - both Israelis in the north and Lebanese in the south, would be just his way of operating.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. this thing looks far from over.
iran is spoiling for a war, the question is only when, and if israel will bother to show. i bet olmert sold his stocks a long long time ago...

8:05 PM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger bec said...

i'm finding it amazing that france has offered to send troops in and now they're trying to back out, and they're saying it could take up to a year for them to deploy troops.
and we've stupidly agreed to hold to this ceasefire.

so here's a question...when will someone call for an election to replace olmert????

9:56 PM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger DWB said...

Apparently it is over [the war] as far as Olmert and company are concerned because even though the so-called "democratic" Lebanese government has just voted unanimously to deploy the military to the south, it also adamantly proclaimed that the Lebanese military and its government leaders would NOT disarm their "[Hizbollah] brothers in arms".

Frankly, I am beyond sick of my American government continuing to refer to this very vocally supportive and Hizbollah sympathizing Lebanese government as a "young, fragile democracy". Any government, so-called, whose leaders continue to overtly and loudly proclaim sympathy with and support for a terrorist organization such as Hizbollah makes that government a rogue, terrorist state AND a supporter of terrorism, IMO, FWIW.

Right behind the news report we received via Fox Cable News a short while ago about the Lebanese military deploying to the south came the report that the IDF would pull out. WHAT?? They are going to leave only the Lebanese military and armed Hezbollah in south Lebanon? They've already stated, obviously with Kofi Annan's support, that the military/Lebanese government leaders aren't going to disarm their "[Hizbollah] brothers in arms".

Why, then, pray tell, did Olmert send in massive ground troops only 36 hours or so before the start of the cease fire, only to turn southern Lebanon back over to a combination of armed Hizbillah and the Lebanese military?

WHAT and WHY, WHY, WHY then, PM Olmert, did you send so many courageous young IDF soldiers to an early grave, along with those who have been severely wounded and injured as well?????

Why would Olmert and company have put even more IDF troops in harm's way when he already knew he would BOTH concede to the bigoted, anti-Semitic UN's cease fire AND an almost immediate withdrawal before any kind of viable multi-nation force could be installed in south Lebanon??? (Which UN "cease fires" of course always and only means for Israel to "cease fire" while leaving Hizbollah terrorists to continue and maintain their merry terrorist murdering, mischief and mayhem at the pre-war "status quo ante")?????

WHY, WHY, WHY send those large numbers of ground troops in at the last minute and cause such heavy IDF casualties only to pull out in a week's time? WHY, WHY, WHY??? Why sacrifice even more of Israel's future that way?

I know we are a world away and so perhaps lack the kind of proper understanding which might only come from living day-to-day in Israel, but we cannot help but have the uncomfortable thoughts that Olmert's ordering in the massive ground troops at the "12th hour" so to speak came right on the heels of polls showing dramatic decline in public support for his war-time decisions and concurrent with several editorials calling for his and the MoD's dual resignations.

Please, please, I hope Olmert did not mount the last-minute masssive ground troop assault which cost so many more courageous young lives (along with over 100 wounded and injured, some quite severely) only for personal political expediency. If so, that is unspeakable and beyond reprehensible. <::::shaking head in utter perplexity::::>

As always, we keep Israel and her citizens, especially the courageous young IDF soldiers, near in our thoughts, hearts and ongoing prayers.

DWB & family

2:30 AM, August 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You better think about where you can move to away from the Middle East.

G_d has forsaken your people. In every other war Israel has been in since 1948 G_d has blessed your people with miracles to help you win, but not this war.


I believe it's because of the tolerance that has been seen in your nation for homosexuality, BSDM, and other immoral behavior.

Chronicles 24:20
New International Version (NIV)

20 Then the Spirit of G_d came upon Zechariah son of Jehoiada the priest. He stood before the people and said, "This is what G_d says: 'Why do you disobey the LORD's commands? You will not prosper. Because you have forsaken the LORD, he has forsaken you.'

5:30 AM, August 17, 2006  
Blogger westbankmama said...

jerusalemjo - I don't think we will be given the choice of whether to "show" or not!

bec- everyone knows we need new elections - but we don't know if we have the luxury of six months of paralysis that elections would bring

dwb - Olmert chickened out, plain and simple. I don't think anyone really believes that the forces in south Lebanon will take away Hizballah's weapons, whether Lebanese or UNIFIL. Israel wants more time to prepare for the next fight. I have my theories about what this preparation consists of, but I don't want to write about it here.

annonymous - G-d never forsakes the Jewish people, even when we sin. We get punished, sometimes badly, but we are never wiped out. I'm not moving anywhere soon!

7:09 AM, August 17, 2006  
Blogger DWB said...

What's the matter, "anonymous"? If you're going to presume to speak in G-d's stead, directly on G-d's behalf as G-d's mouthpiece, bolding pronouncing judgment on Israel, whilst doing so picking and choosing pretexts as opposed to allowing Scripture to be interpreted by Scripture - which is to say, Scripture ought always be intrepreted in its OWN light contextually - why haven't you the courage to pose as anything other than "anonymous"?

FYI, if I had a single drop of Jewish blood flowing through my veins, it would be my immeasurable blessing to live the rest of my alotted time on earth as a proud citizen of the sovereign nation of Israel.

"Anonymous" posters seem to have a knack for revealing the depths of bigotry the human heart is all-too-often capable of by plucking Scripture completely out of context, whilst holding the pretexted passage forth as though the one, true sovereign G-d had granted you the authority of a prophet to both pass judgment and bespeak judgment in His holy name.

My dear "anonymous", a book without a context is merely a pretext, even both Testaments of the Bible and never moreso than when isolated passages are wrested from historical context and wielded like an ominous Damoclean sword. One isolated, pretexted passage does not a viable, G-dly prophetic utterance make.

I cannot help but be affrighted for those "anonymous" souls such as yourself who arrogantly claim to both judge and bespeak judgment on the L-rd's anointed and who do so by brazenly citing Scripture with no regard for context, historical or otherwise ... and that without evidencing a shred of holy, G-dly fear.

Talk about rushing in where angles fear to tread and doing so wantonly...

If you're going to cite Scripture in G-d's stead, might I suggest you meander over and examine the plethora of passages, preferably contextually this time, whereby G-d promises to gather the Hebrew nation from the four corners of the earth, never to be uprooted in this life again, nor will, G-d further promises, Jerusalem ever fall again thereafter.

Yes, circumstances in our modern age insomuch as Israel and the safety of her people are concerned, may appear to be in conflicted, dire straits - it can be frightful for the mind of a mere mortal to ponder at the present, but there is always the blessed assurance of the steadfastness and sovereignty of G-d.

Yet in your pretexted proclamation of judgment on Israel, you have wrested and twisted the Scriptures dreadfully to suit your own bigoted, anti-Semitic heart, a heart which appears, based on your own words, to be itself bereft of any capacity whatsoever for shame, let alone G-dly fear ... "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks!

Whoever touches Israel, G-d's anointed, touches the apple of G-d's eye; whoever, my bold, shameless and quite fearless "anonymous" professor of judgments, curses Israel and her people, G-d will curse and whosoever blesses Israel and her people, G-d will bless.

The same presumptuous judgment you claim to bespeak on Israel in G-d's holy name, will be turned on you by the same G-d you so arrogantly claim to be speaking on behalf of!

"Anonymous", do tell how you came by the bold pretext as you plucked and wrested the passage in Chronicles wholly out of historical context, that the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would have you use this specific verse to cast G-d's blanket judgment upon the entire Hebrew nation? From whence authority speak you such bold judgments in G-d's stead, "anonymous"?

He who sits in the heavens laughs, The L-rd scoffs at them. Then He will speak to them in His anger and terrify them in His fury, saying, 'But as for Me, I have installed My King upon Zion, My holy mountain.' ... Now therefore ... show discernment; Take warning, O judges of the earth. Worship the L-rd with reverence and rejoice with trembling. Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way. For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him."

7:59 AM, August 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leviticus [18:22-28]

Leviticus states, "You shall not lie down with a male, as with a woman: this is an abomination. For the nations, whom I am sending away from before you, have defiled themselves with all these things. And the land became defiled, and I visited its sin upon it, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. … For the people of the land who preceded you, did all of these abominations, and the land became defiled. And let the land not vomit you out for having defiled it, as it vomited out the nation that preceded you.'"

9:53 AM, August 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judges 10:13
(New International Version)

13 But you have forsaken me and served other gods, so I will no longer save you.

(In this caue the modern day equvalent of 'gods' would be disobeying G_d on the issue of homosexuality and other perverted sexual behaviors. You have forsaken Him, that's the point.)

Kings 9:9
(New International Version)

9 People will answer, 'Because they have forsaken the LORD their G_d, who brought their fathers out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why the LORD brought all this disaster on them.' "

1 Kings 11:33

(New International Version)

33 I will do this because they have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Molech the god of the Ammonites, and have not walked in my ways, nor done what is right in my eyes, nor kept my statutes and laws as David, Solomon's father, did.

Chronicles 24:24
(New International Version)

24 Although the Aramean army had come with only a few men, the LORD delivered into their hands a much larger army. Because Judah had forsaken the LORD, the God of their fathers, judgment was executed on Joash.

2 Chronicles 28:6
In one day Pekah son of Remaliah killed a hundred and twenty thousand soldiers in Judah—because Judah had forsaken the LORD, the G_d of their fathers.

Jeremiah 2:17

17 Have you not brought this on yourselves by forsaking the LORD your G_d when he led you in the way?

Deuteronomy 31:17

On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and difficulties will come upon them, and on that day they will ask, 'Have not these disasters come upon us because our G_d is not with us?'

Joshua 24:20
If you forsake the LORD and serve foreign gods, he will turn and bring disaster on you and make an end of you, after he has been good to you."

2 Chronicles 15:2

He went out to meet Asa and said to him, "Listen to me, Asa and all Judah and Benjamin. The LORD is with you when you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you.

Ezra 8:22

I was ashamed to ask the king for soldiers and horsemen to protect us from enemies on the road, because we had told the king, "The gracious hand of our G_d is on everyone who looks to him, but his great anger is against all who forsake him."

9:57 AM, August 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since 1993, homosexuals have been allowed to openly serve in the IDF, including special units.

Has Israel won any wars since 1993?

10:00 AM, August 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the first war you lost.

Why is it?

Before you had God's Miracles to help you win but this time no miracles? What happened?

Well perhaps this...

10:00 AM, August 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When Israel embraces G_d nothing and no one can stop Israel.

But when Israel turns her back on G_d then he lifts his protection from your country and turns His back on you until you return to Him.

It has always been that way.

10:15 AM, August 17, 2006  
Blogger DWB said...

"anonymous", you may cut and paste reams of pretextual passages, all of it thus far totally bereft of even historical context, but it is still no more than a pretext to suit the prejudices of your own heart. You are taking upon yourself a lofty bit of presumption and judgmentalism and doing it as an oracle of almighty G-d, a frightening thing indeed! There is but one Judge and Law Giver and it is given to man to die once, then face judgement. It is indeed a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living G-d!

There are a multitude of reasons why David was a man after G-d's own heart and Saul was anything but. Saul lusted after G-d's mantle of power, but rejected the way of meekness and humiliation the young shepherd boy, David, would learn during his years in G-d's fiery crucible of humiliation and suffering. Saul was arrogant and judged wrongly, David was a man after G-d's own heart. Something worth reflecting on, methinks.

"O L-rd, my heart is not proud, nor my eyes haughty; Nor do I involve myself in great matters, Or in things too difficult for me."

You think G-d didn't already know it all before He promised to restore Israel and her people to their land? G-d is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, He sees and knows it all from time immortal to the end of this present age and beyond. Unless, of course you deny G-d's omnipotence and sovereignty?

G-d remains ever faithful. He promised long ago to restore Israel and her people to their land and to the Holy City of Jerusalem. G-d promised Jerusalem would never again fall and that Israel will never be uprooted and her people scattered ever again in this life.

Doesn't matter one whit how confusing, wretched and miserable the world around looks, G-d gave His word and G-d will keep His promise to Israel and her people, for His faithfulness endures throughout all generations, forever and ever.

Still G-d gathers the Jews from the four corners of the earth, plane load after plane load they come home to the land which G-d gave them so very long ago and has been continually redeeming and restoring them to since 1948.

My dear, "anonymous", you think too much in terms of man's power and might and too little in the ways of almighty G-d. All of which isn't terribly surprising, since G-d points out that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.

See, that is the problem, you look around and think and judge like the mere mortal you are whilst G-d is G-d. Jerusalem will never fall again, nor will G-d allow Israel be uprooted and scattered to the winds ever again in this life ... albeit not necessarily because of military might or Israel's lack thereof, but because almighty G-d has proclaimed it. Not by might, not by power, but by My Spirit....

"Forever, O L-rd, Your word is settled in heaven. Your faithfulness endures throughout all generations...".

1:15 PM, August 17, 2006  
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