Sunday, July 16, 2006

Message of the Day - Give Us Enough Time to Finish the Job

(I will continue my updates on this post. See below for earlier updates).

[Update 6:22 pm Israel time: Nasrallah appears on tv. He says that the Israelis have no "red lines" so Hizballah doesn't either. We surprised them in Haifa and we will surprise them again. We are strong, and we are not afraid of a ground operation. Don't believe anything that they Israelis say in their media reports.]

I have been listening to IDF radio all day long, and updating as I go. In addition to the specific information from Pikud HaOref (Home Front Command) on specific details about how the citizens of Israel should conduct themselves and updates on where the IAF is operating, I have heard one clear message repeated by four different politicians and IDF personalities - give us enough time to finish the job.

First it was Miri Regev, the spokeswoman of the IDF who said that in speaking to regular citizens who are under attack up north, she heard encouragement from them to continue fighting. Shaul Mofaz, former Defense Minister, spoke at the scene where eight people died today in Haifa, and praised the courage of the home front and said that their ability to withstand the assaults gives the IDF the opportunity to clear out the terrorists in Lebanon. IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz spoke along these lines at the end of the cabinet meeting in Jerusalem, and just a few minutes ago Gideon Ezra said roughly the same thing on IDF radio.

Who are they talking to? It may be to the United States and the other countries around the world who want to pressure Israel to back down - but I doubt it. It may be to the people sitting in the bomb shelters in the north - but I doubt it. I think they are all talking to the left wing/left - leaning media people who may start to demonstrate against the war we are waging. The same naive people who got us into this mess in the first place - who kept repeating over and over that we have to talk, that there is no military solution to the terrorist problem, yada, yada.

The army knows that if it is to succeed they have to finish the job, and clear Lebanon of the Hizballah, which they can't do in one or two days of fighting. Patience is needed. Those of you with blogs should write about this - clearly and calmly. Put your two cents in to the talkbacks. Vote for Israel on website polls (CNN for example). (My husband reported that a very left wing colleague sent around an e-mail urging everyone to go on to CNN and vote that Israel is completely justified in its operation in Lebanon. Pigs flying moment?)

Go to left leaning blog sites and put your two cents in on the comments section (example: Lisa of On the Face has an extremely superficial "analysis" that this whole operation is just a matter of testosterone levels. Really. You know, just a matter of two guys getting into a pissing contest. Anyone care to set her straight?)

The media war is just as important as the real war being waged. Let's help the IDF by giving them the time to finish the job.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

US should just nuke it all from Tel Aviv to Tehran.

Glass it all, end of the all desert idiots and their stupid philosophies.

Drop the bomb!

7:07 PM, July 16, 2006  
Blogger Shanah said...

The US should keep their big mouths shut and keep their guns to themselves. The IDF knows what they're doing and they're doing it right. Israel has claimed victory alone before-- all we need is HaShem.

Go, IDF, GO!

7:24 PM, July 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh by all means finish the job.
Don't let up until every Hizbolla thought
cease's to exits. Crush them and grind them
until they are no longer a threat to the world.

7:34 PM, July 16, 2006  
Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

Then follow all the way to Iran. Glass that damned country once and for all!

8:21 PM, July 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While safe here in the US, all of our thoughts and prayers are for Israel.
God bless and keep you and your family safe.
God bless Israel.
Go IDF, GO!!

9:07 PM, July 16, 2006  
Blogger Mad Zionist said...

I pray for victory, not peace. Peace only can come from totally vanquishing the enemy.

9:29 PM, July 16, 2006  
Blogger WarBicycle said...

You won't live in peace until such time as you destroy Hezbollah, wipe them off the face of this earth.

9:55 PM, July 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is all ignorant rhetoric.

11:51 PM, July 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poorly written, ignorant rhetoric, at that.

12:12 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad to be able to greet you. May God always bless you, your people and Israel. Israel will always triumph, for she is a *sign of the presence of God in the world*. Not the only sign, but one of the most important signs. One of the fundamental columns that keep in place the plans of God for the world.
A big hug and a kiss for you, and for all Israelis at this hour of trial.
Your friend Miguel. :)

1:12 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Religion has no place in this discussion
- that is the problem.


2:26 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...Vote for Israel on website polls (CNN for example). (My husband reported that a very left wing colleague sent around an e-mail urging everyone to go on to CNN and vote that Israel is completely justified in its operation in Lebanon. Pigs flying moment?)"
This is not a simplistic left/right wing debate. (simple life for the simple minded?) Also your concern about online polls is both humorous and pathetic.
Stop with the one sided martyrdom. Your observations are pitiable. Please let those equipped to discuss this accurately, and intelligently do so. Or at the very least preface your posts with "a mere opinion devoid of facts/ I have an agenda to promote" (null and void on any interesting observations, discussion, debate).


2:38 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umm, aren't there alot of "right wingers" who dislike the Jewish community? I can't even begin to pick out the flaws with that argument, but left wing & right wing is the easy stereotype that allows us not to use your our brains. It's like a microwave dinner for the mind. Don't be presumptuous and take refuge in labels.. it's lazy.

3:21 AM, July 17, 2006  
Blogger bec said...

those of us who support israel are making our voices heard, even though it's halfway around the world. if it means anything, our BIG aliyah application is being sent out tomorrow--still sending the message that we'll stand by israel no matter what.
prayers to you all.

3:47 AM, July 17, 2006  
Blogger bec said...

one more thing, i'm pretty sure you're aware of the following, i would have emailed you (but i don't have your email). anyway, i got this from the ma'aleh adumim message board....

URGENT: Israeli blood banks running low; donors needed

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On Monday, from 5 p.m. until 8 p.m., a special drive will be held at the
building in Jerusalem. From 5 p.m. until 11 p.m., blood will be taken in
shelter of the Gush Dan Hatzalah building in Bnei Brak.

3:57 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This American Roman Catholic stands with Israel-today and tomorrow.
Stay strong, my friends.

4:03 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Message of the Day - Give Us Enough Time to Finish the Job"
163 innocent Lebanese civilians dead, 23
Israeli civilians dead, way to "finish the job". This is barabic, no true Christian ETC ETC would condone such or say other wise.

5:32 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just love Anonymous. Such passion. Such a selective memory. I bet he/she works for the government somewhere in a safe, snug American suburb.

WWII statistic:

American military dead: 500,000
German military dead: 3,250,000
German civilian dead: 3,600,000

The numbers prove it. American christians should have stayed out of WWII. Or perhaps, only used sidearms so that the death rate should be more fair. Better yet, should have helped Nazis infiltrate the country so that American civilians could die in huge numbers. Now, THAT's fair.

War is bloody and civilians die and it is awful. That's why you avoid starting one by say, shooting missles at another country.

Also Anonymous

5:46 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The name is Hollis, and no I don't live in a suburb (or work for the govt.ha), or the States currently for that matter, nor am I Christian. So your assumptions are quite humorous. "Such a selective memory." If we're now speaking in historical terms, the happenings in Israel - Lebanon were not born last week.(so a concise historical reference would have included Israel/Lebanon relations) And WW11 is a ridiculous, if not hysterically ignorant reference. There is not even a slight similarity in which one could draw a comparison.

6:52 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"American christians should have stayed out of WWII." Please indulge us, explain.

6:54 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is blatant imbalance of force occuring "Also Anonymous". Your careless point of view, is painfully shallow. You're failing to make any substantial point other than 'they started it, so what it's not fair.' I think my three year old made a similar statement last week. Interesting.

-Also Anonymous & Proud

7:20 AM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An excellent post. Thank you.

Rick Richman

8:56 AM, July 17, 2006  
Blogger tafka PP said...

WBM- I'm really disappointed with this post. I don't know who "A" is but I agree with him/her too.

I think Israel is justified in retaliating on the Northern border. You know my opinions about the terriroties. There are no pigs and they aren't flying: These concerns aren't mutually exclusive. The labels "right" and "left" are meaningless right now- in the same way I read your blog and don't make sweeping assumptions about you, or presume to know your opinions on everything, I would hope for the same courtesy.

And as for comments about war and testosterone- those are hardly original to this conflict or to this region. And certainly aren't limited to the "Left", whoever they are and whatever that means.

Sorry, but I think we need to be united in the face of clear enemies, not playing "I told you so" and belittling our fellow Jews. If nothing else, the Torah teaches that we all bear equal responsibility. This situation, whoever you might decide to blame, is no different.

1:55 PM, July 17, 2006  
Blogger JJ said...

You said it, WBM. Much as I hate this (and any other) war, better to totally destroy our enemy now. Finish them off, so they (hopefully) can't hurt us anymore in the future.

5:45 PM, July 17, 2006  
Blogger westbankmama said...

tafka - Lisa herself labeled her post "and now from the left" so why is it wrong for me to use the label? I personally have slightly different views than others here on the right - but I do not object to anyone labelling my ideas right wing. In addition, the comments about war and testosterone are not only pathetically naive, but they show an incredible nerve on her part - those men with the testosterone are the ones risking their lives to keep the bombs from dropping on Lisa's head - the least she could do is give them the credit that what they are doing is more complex than a barroom brawl.

In terms of "I told you so" I think that is EXACTLY what we should be saying now, because there are people who only open their minds to another point of view when the bombs are dropping on their heads - otherwise they are oblivious to facts staring them in the face. The two of us can discuss things because we can see the others point of view - but there are too many people who will completely ignore my opinions solely because of my address.

6:53 PM, July 17, 2006  
Blogger tafka PP said...

OK, I think we're at cross-purposes here- her post "and now from the left" was about that ridiculous demonstration she took pictures of, of 16 communists and a dog in TA. Whereas her "testosterone" comments were from her previous post, and clearly referred to the hormones of the brokers of the war- as opposed to the IDF soldiers.

I still don't think "I told you so" is helpful, even beyond the "Kol Yisrael Achim" factor.
I'll explain from the current point of view of the Left-winger: On the one hand, you are witness, maybe even a participant within functioning civil society frameworks comprising among others, thousands of educated Palestinians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Egyptians, who are vocal and active regarding their peaceful/coexistence aspirations. (Some even have blogs to prove it). On the other hand, Kidnappings and Murder. Katyushas. Qassams. Almost-Bombs in Kikar Tzahal (she'lo neda) -Not to mention that many people on the left do not hold by any religious doctrine which, to a certain extent, can dictate one's politics (we can discuss why this is the case later). What is one supposed to think? Trust me, everyone on the left is sliding a little towards the center this week, as they search anew to find "Facts" that sit well with what they believe in the face of the Katyushas. But mark my words, they will be pushed even further back to the left if they are met in the center by finger-pointing and blame- you don't need me to tell you that there's nothing that gets Israeli backs up quicker than being admonished... So if the idea is that such people should be prevented from making political judgements which you perceive to be damaging in the future, "I told you so" isn't going to help. In situations such as these, the "Facts" you speak of will make themselves clear without them being forced upon anyone.

Just to go back to your inference about how it was ridiculous that your husband's Lefty colleague supports the war in the North- I think it is fair to say that even to the average "Yifeh Nefesh", (those that Lisa photographed represent the exceptional, extreme left- and I'm sure an unrepresentative extreme on the "other" side could draw equal numbers) the war with Hizbullah is clearly justified. While it is widely accepted that it is linked to the ongoing, internal discourse about occupation and rule over Palestinians, with which many take umbrage, it is not the same issue. Hizbullah very clearly invaded, killed and kidnapped our soldiers, they are now assualting our land and killing us. Whether these same people agree with the scale of the IDF response is another argument entirely, but even so, a different opinion on that matter also doesn't render them anti-Zionists or self-hating Jews.

And for some added reading, here is this article:,7340,L-3277176,00.html

Sorry for hijacking, but thank you for listening. Good night!

9:37 PM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Westbankmama left, right, independent,
communist, socialist etc. The labels are an attempt to make sweeping comments that overlook the complexity of differences. There are various views within the right and left, there is no unanimous right and left. It just does not exist. "n terms of I told you so" I think that is EXACTLY what we should be saying now, because there are people who only open their minds to another point of view when the bombs are dropping on their heads - otherwise they are oblivious to facts staring them in the face. The two of us can discuss things because we can see the others point of view - but there are too many people who will completely ignore my opinions solely because of my address." Because your address is weak. All you said was that you're right wing and your side is right. Wow. Fascinating. The other side is just going to claim that they are also correct. You're post(s) are limited. The time to be flippant is not when lives are at stake.

11:50 PM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


11:51 PM, July 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It sounds like the Parrot, instead of the cat, has got West Bank Mama's tongue!

10:58 PM, July 22, 2006  
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